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|Barked: Fri Jan 18, '13 5:11pm PST |
|I agree with Cohen. I know when I was on the rules and regs committee for APDT Rally we had a big discussion as to the use of toys as a reward and ultimately decided it was not feasible to deliver a toy reward without interrupting the flow of the course. It had nothing to do with primary vs secondary or conditioned, but with the flow of the course.
I know that you yourself have acknowledged that "I guess it's hard for me to wrap my head around Rally, as I'm more used to a dog that performs a modified predatory action pattern -- the retrieve -- as the ultimate payoff. No luring, baiting, or treating needed.
As far as rewarding activities for a dog, I'm sure some people like to practice Rally and OB routines, but these are owner-driven activities, as is hunting. Most dogs I know, given their druthers, would rather go explore, sniff and roll in stinky stuff. " (http://www.dogster.com/forums/Sports_and_Agility/thread/719464/4)
It should be pretty self explanatory that modified play actions/exploring/sniffing/rolling in stinky stuff used as a reward would NOT make the run smooth and, if used as a reward after even a fraction of the stationary exercises, would probably cause you to NQ for time. And if we whip out a toy on the course, is the dog rewarded simply by the sight of the toy? Or would some engagement be expected?
If you are actually interested in knowing the answer, you could join the yahoo group and ask for their line of thought or email the founders of the venue and ask them directly. I am sure they could give you a more satisfactory answer as I don't know of too many Dogsters who exhibit in Cyber Rally (and I do not do so myself).