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Dogster Magazine: The Fake-Service-Dog Scam Is Getting More Popular

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Beasley

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Barked: Wed Oct 16, '13 3:41pm PST 
There's a thriving market online for fake ID cards and badges, and one training group has asked for federal intervention.
Harley, SD,- CGC, TDI

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Barked: Wed Oct 16, '13 8:04pm PST 
The group that has asked for intervention has motivation. ADI, the organization that group belongs to, has been trying to "take over" the SD world for years. They are just using this as an excuse.

I do not believe it is NEAR as bad as some make it out to be. Yes, there are fakers, but its not bad enough to cut off the disabled handlers access to the gear we need. Honestly, the best thing that could happen would be for the media to leave us alone.
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Toto, CD, RN, CGC

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Barked: Thu Oct 17, '13 1:12pm PST 
I have to agree with Harley. There are almost no service dogs in our rural area, yet everytime some publicity like this article in Dogster Magazine comes out we get phone calls at our kennel asking about where people can purchase patches and vests and certification.
Seems to me the more the topic is discussed the more people hear about it and decide to become fakers since the articles discuss how easy it is to fake.
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Otto - Registered- Service Dog

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Barked: Thu Oct 17, '13 1:13pm PST 
It's unfair to represent ADI as wanting to "take over" the service dog industry. Their goal is to have all service dogs trained to a very high standard. Certainly a great idea!
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Thor CGC

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Barked: Thu Oct 17, '13 3:55pm PST 
And ADI wants to be the ones that "certifies" them, thus having a monopoly on the industry and the money that comes with it...
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Otto - Registered- Service Dog

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Barked: Thu Oct 17, '13 10:33pm PST 
Thor, could you post a link that states ADI will 'certify' a dog?

It was only because Otto was trained by an ADI member school that we were able to fly from Canada to the UK!dancing.
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Piper Cub

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Barked: Sat Oct 19, '13 2:25pm PST 
How about entertaining the idea of owner trained service dogs certified by a physician/therapist letter and observed and certified by a rep from the local humane society or animal control? Disabled folks with and/or without help can sometimes train their own service dogs to respond to disability needs with tasks that help mitigate that disability. Let's be real, humanity has been training dogs for thousands of years! Let's stop arguing fake or real and just get folks to carry documentation that we all agree on. Though we don't have a nationwide system yet, in the meantime, I carry doctor and therapist letters with me, and have an internet obtained service vest for my dog. When we solve this problem with an ADA compliant national system, I'll be fist in line to get it for my owner trained service dog.
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Scooter

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Barked: Sat Oct 19, '13 9:54pm PST 
Piper, I'm not an ADI fan, but the big issue with what you have put forth are as follows.

1. Most doctors and therapists don't have a clue to the differences between an ESA and a SD. Make them show they know the difference before they are legally allowed to write the scrips and then it won't be an issue.
2. Most Humane Society/AC personnel don't have the education or background to determine if a dog has a stable temperament let alone would make a passable SD.
3. Most people can't program their coffee maker let alone train their dog to the degree necessary for a SD. Yes, that's rather jaded, but I see the train wrecks most people call well-trained on a daily basis.
4. There needs to be an international standard (which right now, for the most part, is ADI and IGDF). For example, Japan will only allow visiting ADI/IGDF dogs to work in public,but only AFTER taking a PAT test proctored by them. That will get you a 30 day pass; you must re-test every 30 days you are in the country. This doesn't apply to dogs from their programs.
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Harley, SD,- CGC, TDI

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Barked: Thu Oct 24, '13 7:57pm PST 
Maybe I was just blessed with an extremely easy to train dog who was meant to be a service dog, but I don't see training a service dog to be rocket science. No, not everyone is up to it. No, not every dog will make it. No, it isn't easy. But it isn't so hard to say that an elite few can do it. It isn't so hard as to warrant taking away the right to owner train.


Yes, I do believe whole heartedly that ADI wants to take over. Just look at the campaign CCI recently launched. Just look at the quotes in recent articles from the head guy at ADI. Just look at ADI pulling their put reach certification programs. That all point to ADI wanting to take over.

We aren't Japan. You want to compare us to other countries? Go to Europe where all dogs are allowed practically everywhere.

If our current laws were enforced, many of the problems wouldn't happen. It really is THAT simple!
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Otto - Registered- Service Dog

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Barked: Fri Oct 25, '13 6:38pm PST 
Harley, again you will have to disagree with me!

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