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Loving a breeder, but not necessarily their breed?

If you are wondering what is the right dog for you, this is the place to be. In this introductory forum we talk about topics such as breed vs. mix, size, age, grooming, breeders, shelters, rescues as well as requirements for exercise, space and care. No question is too silly here. This particular forum is for getting and giving helpful, nice advice. It is definitely not a forum for criticizing someone else's opinion, knowledge or advice. This forum is all about tail wagging and learning.

  
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Mulder

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Barked: Thu Jan 24, '13 9:38pm PST 
This is a just for fun thread... but have you ever encountered a breeder you were so absolutely smitten by, loved their program so much, that you considered a dog from them despite being on a breed of absolutely zero interest to you?

I'll preface this by saying I'm not looking for another dog wink

But I met a lady with a Westie today who I was absolutely taken by. I'm not a terrier person, and while I find Westies cute enough, its not a breed I would consider for myself. But this dog was a riot, completely gorgeous, and with a temperment to die for. We started talking about breeders and where he was from, and apparently is a local lady with some serious pull in the Westie world (breed judge, owns several nationally ranked dogs in the ring right now, yadda yadda). This lady was clearly proud of her dog, and after hearing about the breeding program, I could certainly understand why.

I was weak, and checked her out when I got home, and she does have one hell of a program... I admit to being JUST a bit seduced by it! Everything desirable in a breeder, too much to list just here, but not a single stone unturned as far as I'm concerned.

NO, of course I tell myself, a Westie is not for me... but it was interesting thinking about it for a second, something I would never have considered had I not met such a fabulous dog, from clearly an exceptional breeder.

Just interested if and of you have ever found yourself second guessing in a similar way smile
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Rexy

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Barked: Thu Jan 24, '13 10:48pm PST 
Yep!

By chance, I've come across two Toller breeders who have really intrigued me and are pretty much everything I am looking for in a breeder.

I considered Tollers for a bit, but something about them doesn't quite jive with what I have in mind for my next dog.

I also found a Golden Retriever breeder that I really like, but again, I'm not convinced.
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Tiller- (Skansen's- Ira in the M

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Barked: Fri Jan 25, '13 1:32am PST 
Yes, all the time laugh out loud I always am jagging off course!

Southpaws had a couple of black, ticked dogs show up and as I looked at them I was swearing they were GSPs. I did research and found one of the top breeders of the blacks. I needed an i.d., to see if I was right. He was firstly so gracious and helpful (and yes, they were GSPs!) I was totally having a brain spasm that he has done so much with working GSPs, import, tons of titles, tons of working placements, but also is a top name in the....hello....conformation ring? I haven't seen anyone in an eon who does puppy testing and early development as much as he does. Raises puppies exactly as I think they should be, and beyond. Heightened ethics. Is an amazingly shrewd judge. A very ethical man. And a good person who this all started with because he was being ridiculously helpful. Oh yeah....and his dogs are STUNNING big laugh

I haven't wanted a GSP since I was SIX laugh out loud But I have spent four years getting that man out of my head big laugh

I think it understandable because when you get into the concept of breeder puppies, there is all this idealism. This amazingly insightful and dedicated hobbyist who loves the breed for all the right reasons, breeds only their best, really knows the genetics, then makes every possible step to raise your puppy PERFECTLY. That vision of the puppy who has received every ounce of the perfect start and early tutelage, and has the genetics to grow up into an amazing dog. With all those i's dotted and t's crossed, the only thing that can screw it up is YOU. It's just all very arousing when you find someone that fantastic. Even if it's not your breed, when it embodies everything you believe in, it's enough to get you thinking crazy thoughts wink

Westie? Never thought I'd hear it! wink

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Trixie Bean!

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Barked: Fri Jan 25, '13 8:17am PST 
Yes, I have come across a couple of breeders that I have LOVED enough to consider their one of their dogs, even though its not a breed I would usually go for laugh out loud. Leaves me wishing that I could find a breeder as awesome as that in the breeds that I actually want!
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Tyler

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Barked: Fri Jan 25, '13 8:26am PST 
Not really anymore because i have blinkers on when it comes to other breeders/breeds laugh out loud But in the past i've come across some breeders who i really admire and am impressed by but can't see myself with their breed and/or haven't considered them.
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Mulder

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Barked: Fri Jan 25, '13 12:34pm PST 
Tiller, mind passing along this guys info??

Haha, GSP are one of those "maybe" breeds of mine... curious, but not totally convinced yet. I wont say I'm against being wooed by a FABULOUS breeder of them!

No, no Westies for me laugh out loud But its fun to think about. This lady is very much like you described. Heavy in not only conformation, but earth dog as well, ultra super heavy on early socialization (she holds these babies back until 5 months), crazy on the health testing, just everything. Wonderful.

I wish I could find a Dobie breeder who wooed me in such a way! confused
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Trixie Bean!

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Barked: Fri Jan 25, '13 12:41pm PST 
laugh out loud There is a Dobie breeder here Mulder that I REALLY like.. One of few UK breeders I have come across that have really impressed me and almost made me wish I wanted a Dobe wink
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UCH Onyx TT,- CGC

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Barked: Fri Jan 25, '13 2:59pm PST 
I'm guessing this is the GSP breeder's site. Actually pretty interested myself, as the bf wants a GSP for his next dog to bird with when he moves.
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Buster

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Barked: Fri Jan 25, '13 3:02pm PST 
There's a bloodhound breeder here, mostly show but is very involved in the trials and all her dogs do them. Has puppies working as police dogs and as active hunting dogs as well and does all the health tests. It's a shame the breed is so specialist really.
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Tiller- (Skansen's- Ira in the M

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Barked: Fri Jan 25, '13 3:07pm PST 
Same with you on the Dobies, but no. Really hard to find one who hits all the angles.

NO-MARS is the place I am talking about. In my obsession I found lots referring to them....not a bad word. The dogs are amazingly gorgeous! ETA: Onyx beat me to it, but here is my babble laugh out loud

Has imported some nice dogs. One of the things I liked about his premise, a little in line with some superb working GSD breeders so you may have some familiarity, is that he always has started and finished dogs available from his litters, and they do command a pretty penny. So there is no absolute for him selling puppies. More than happy to hold onto what he's got and start them. To me, that's a sign I always like. I just trust breeders more as they have no compelling reason to sell me a puppy. They price down their pets, and if no one shows up for the strong natural ability prospects as pups, it's really no skin off their nose. You'll be paying more for them later wink

He's very into NAVHDA (North American Versatile Hunting Dog Association....which I had not heard of (hunting is not my thing, lol, Cocker Spaniels or no - I am an embarrassment big laugh)....but it is like a purer form of the original Schutzhund concept, "purer" because Schutzhund activities take training, whereas testing natural abilities in the field is easier to do than natural abilities for OB/Tracking/Protection. Nose, search, tracking, water, pointing, desire, cooperation. Linky to that site.

I found the whole thing von Stephanitz-ian wink....something Max would approve of. By placement age, all his puppies have been tested on live prey and evaluated, gun tested, field tested, conformationally evaluated. He actually "points them"...meaning there is an ideal between conformation, nerves, natural ability, all considered in a rounded eval. He'll put a NAVHDA title on before he shows them in conformation.

He's very insistent, by the way, that the correct GSP gets along with all dogs. It's what he breeds for and when he doesn't get it considers that a failed breeding. So that's just another reason to keep him in mind. Dog social, well balanced dogs. I found on a gundog forum someone who visited there and was very impressed by the premises and how level, well adjusted, quiet and social all the dogs there seemed to be.

By no means cheap, but with some study I learned that NAVHDA dogs are considered the elite line, tend to command a far higher price and I know that for him he has an SV-like focus on the integrity of that titling. And does put a lot of effort into importing and also bringing fresh blood to his lines. He has an impressive German import male on the page I put up, International Ch in conformation, got his upper NAVHDA titling and then his MH.

And a very nice person to deal with....just a straight shooter, no hyper sell or elitism. Very confident in what he produces, as he should be, and determined that you will be thrilled with what he picks for you.

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