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 | | Barked: Sun Jan 13, '13 12:28pm PST |  | |  | | I prefer Victoria as a model.
Although both have the plusses and minuses, and ultimately should be received as a tv show like anything else....not for learning about training, more for entertaining. That's where I think CM comes out a little ahead in some contexts as he stresses being calm (often a huge problem with those struggling with their dogs, making them almost enablers), the importance of exercise, looking at the dog as a being who has needs that must be met (interesting smells, socialization, etc.), and also stressing how the owner is culpable for their dog's problems. But then there's all that "other stuff"  Victoria I think less gives much guidance in any generalized sense, rather works on the behavior at hand, but with no blueprint.
One would truly hope one is not watching these shows with a dysfunctional animal looking for "tips," in other words. One would hope that they would be using commonsense, i.e., talking to their vet and seeking a professional. Preferably a behaviorist.
Sooo.....when looking at actual problems, CM is far the less preferential. Detrimental. If someone is bent on not following proper protocol (i.e., working with a professional), they are much better off musing off Victoria. But in terms of the average owner or owner to be, CM does give lifestyle approaches that can help a pet parent have a happier dog....a steadier owner, more outside adventure, play time, consistency and so on.
Zak George I think was gads better than either. Still a lively entertainment show, but just about tricks. Therein showcasing how much dogs can learn, letting the OWNER train and seeing those results, and just staying far away from behavioral issues that really require counsel and a professional. There, I find no method is the best method universally. There, breed, the owner, the nature of the problem, the dynamics, environmental demands, etc. can all tilt the scales towards best approach. Whereas simply dogs learning, setting up the strategy, goal points and so on....the Zak George show....far more universal.
Then again, his show didn't take  If these shows aren't sensationalistic, they don't get the ratings desired and off they go.
Funny, horse people aren't that way. If you want to do a two hour show with Geroge Morris taking about proper heel position.....they would be RIVETED Al Dunning, his manner is like slow gin. I remember seminars from forever ago, he's always been an educator, well worn pages in old horse magazines. There wasn't even cable tv back then. Now of course there is, lots of options to do shows, and he is a VETERAN educator, ideal for the format. Has always been personable, easy to connect with, through seminars is great at cramming very extensive and enlightened info into three sentences, or a whole theory beautifully demonstrated on one horse. He's a pro, it shows. Horse people typically are a lot more receptive. You are a beginner when you start with horses. Many horses you are not allowed near because they would be too much for you. Something like stallions or starting a baby....you spend many years gaining enough chops to even think about going there. And don't consider yourself emulating this trainer or that....but rather full respect, just a hungry student. So if someone named George Morris wants to do an hour on heel position, you shut up and listen. Because he is Geroge Morris. And you are not
I think the whole "pet training" thing has gone insane. Who calls themselves a trainer barely knows more than you do. Maybe less Very encouraging to DIY mentalities. I long for the days with a thickly imposing resume and someone whose skill intimidates and awes you. Then you shut up and listen. The way things are right now? That just ain't happening. I myself stick with the thick resumes and don't get lost in this new era, which is bringing such tremendous harm, IMO.Edited by author Tue Jan 22, '13 4:35pm PST
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...have employed dominance theory, and some here surely are just straight positive (extending to no use of "no," etc.), but a lot here don't fall to either extreme.
Yes I am dealing with the cat crazed husky. So you asked what I thought? I believe that positive works the beer and does get better results. But in the case of a dog who ignores you, my huskey Koda is a prime example, then to me being more dominant and showing him you have more authority is better.
