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11/17/2012
 
 
Barked: Sat Nov 17, '12 11:59am PST 
Hello everyone! wave

I brought back my 9 months old miniature schnauzer couple days ago. We travelled together from another country. My intension was easy. I wanted a better quality dog. A show quality dog with numerous of champion pedigree. Currently I have a 4 months mini schnauzer that stays with me Anyway, allow me to begin. He was born and fed at kennel. He wasn't indeed to have much association with people. Or probably almost none. Very obvious He didn't know anything, He never had socialization. Never heard much of sound TV/phone/radio. I am pretty sure all his life was dedicated to other dogs. He does stand a lot. ( conformation/stack ) He doesn't appear to have much interest in people or I would say a little afraid. He is okay with a lead. He is very very clam. I know it is a pretty big change in his life. From countryside kennel to a busy apartment city. I was at the kennel a month ago. Other pups/dogs seems to be perfectly normal. Bark, jumps, recall, and play. I asked the breeder regarding Tommy's behavior/personality. She said " he thinks before he do ". He doesn't even know his name when I called! I observed Tommy and I did find him pretty strange. He wonuldn't't come, didn't react much. I looked at the tail and it wasn't tucked. He was okay when I hold him on my arms. The breeder showed me a few pups. This other litter ( similar age ) was all over me.

At the end, I picked Tommy due to his pedigree and conformation and not personality.
He was already a very clam pup when I last visited him at kennel. He is here with me for 5 days now. He is getting use to the apartment and interests in things but very slowly. Like observing, My female schnauzer always wants to play and Tommy will be happy to play along. I walk him around with a leash to show him the community. He is scared when my neighbor tries to pet him. He didn't show teeth, just the tail is a bit down and backed up a little. I try to play a few toys with him and only show a bit of interest. Not really interest in rawhide. Reaction was slow when I throw kibbles around. Doesn't have much muscle memories to stand on two feet. When there's sound in different rooms and he will bark. Other than that he is very quiet. Now he will cry a bit when I go to bed. He sleeps in the big crate and moans in the morning. ( eliminate/hungry? )

Let me sum this up, In my observation. I think he is a good puppy that didn't have training/socialization rather than conformation and walk with a leash during this 9 months at kennel. He doesn't seem to be very chewy/play toys. He loves to eat kibbles. laugh out loud Almost forgot to mention, The second day he arrived after lunch. I quickly walk him around outside and He just vomited. Did it again for 5 times. He is now fine. I think this is due to his stress/air plane/environment? I kind of overfed him. I was worried he wasn't getting enough food. I gave him kibbles, greenies, treats, etc. Now only kibbles and water. Oh I am trying to positive reinforce him as much as possible with a clicker.

Any opinion would be greatly appreciated smile
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Jax (earned- her wings- 5/30/12)

Give me your- toy.
 
 
Barked: Sat Nov 17, '12 5:34pm PST 
First of all, you've only had him for less than a week. It's a big adjustment to his new home from what you described. Try reading "The Cautious Canine". It's a thin book but packed with tips for fearful dogs. He just isn't used to everything you're exposing him to. His life was lived i a kennel until you took him home. The life he had was very sheltered and limited. You need to give him time and lots of patience. Good Luck with him!
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Member Since
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Barked: Sun Nov 18, '12 12:17am PST 
Thank you Jax, he definitely needs more time to settle.

I asked quite a lot of people this type of questions and I never really get a good answer. Would older pups tend to have a less good bond with the owner compare with 8 weeks old pup? During his nine months childhood at the kennel, did he already build up a character or a personality that is permanent or hard to correct? Would fearful dogs tend to be even harder to train and less likely to have a good bond with the owner? One last question. Fearful or shy doesn't mean he is less intelligent, am I correct? I am quite afraid he is turning to an adult very quickly and I would have no opportunity to readjust/train his behavior.

Thanks again!
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Nare

Woo-woo- whineybutt
 
 
Barked: Sun Nov 18, '12 2:05am PST 
Guest, from what I know Schnauzers tend to be a bit aloof.
Does this mean he won't bond? no. It just means he won't be in your face like a labrador.
Personality is usually genetic. If he is a quiet dog by nature then he would have been this way even if you got him at 8 weeks old.
However, since he was a kennel dog, he probably just doesn't know.

My dog is pretty aloof as well, he doesn't solicit attention and usually does things on his own terms.. If I shove a toy in his face he won't play with it, BUT if I run around playing with it and ignore him.. He gets curious and wants to know what all the commotion is about! In his mind, this makes him think it was his idea to play, which is a lot more rewarding to him.

For about two weeks let him come to you. Feed him.. But if he wants to be pet or to play, he must come to you.
Bond usually build quicker if nurtured, look up the "two week shutdown". Exposing him to the outside world too quick is quite stressful, especially when he doesn't really know you.

Does he have a crate?

Also, you are correct. Fear does not make a dog less intelligent. It is a mixture of poor exposure and weak genetics. There are fearful dogs here who have accomplished many things. When working with fear you must work at the dog's pace and be cautious of potential triggers (usually people or other dogs). Outside of the triggers though-- they lead perfectly normal lives.

I suggest looking up clicker training-- I know you are excited about your new pup, but don't expect too much too soon. smile
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Barked: Sun Nov 18, '12 3:47am PST 
Thank you Nare,

Yes I do have a crate. I have kept him inside when I am not around. I take him out immediately to balcony for potty. I realize he would poo else where when I am not paying attention on him. My four months old schnauzer is very very playful. Energetic inside or outside. Loves to play with Tommy. Most of the time tommy just stood there. Whenever I have an interaction with Gina, either holding, playing, or feeding. He will come near and tag along. I think he is more familiar with dogs than people. I am guessing he was sheltered at least 6 weeks before I brought him home. His body is weak, not much muscles and I think he didn't exercise at all. While Gina will run a lot more, jump more, at least bark during play. Tommy is mute yet He plays with her. I am clicker training both and hopefully He will get use to home like life. I was just at my apartment lobby. I brought tommy there to social. He is afraid when someone comes close and pet him. But he is better than yesterday. Still doesn't move much until I brought Gina down and he started to play with her and I gave them kibbles. Again, his movement was slow compare with Gina.
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Jax (earned- her wings- 5/30/12)

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Barked: Sun Nov 18, '12 7:46am PST 
When I got Jax, she was a little over 4 months old, from a similar situation as you. She had no human contact except for someone throwing food over the fence and she had to fight for her share with 14 other pups. With lots of time and patience, she became my shadow. She was like no other dog I ever had. So, there is hope if you do it right. Not all dogs are the same. I'm not saying that your dog will bond with you like Jax did me, but if you are patient, he will certainly come out of his shell. He just needs to know your ok and that nothing will hurt him. Your should start reading a few books on behavior. "The Other End of The Leash", and Don't Shoot the Dog" are two you can start with. Good Luck with your pup.
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Tiller- (Skansen's- Ira in the M

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Barked: Sun Nov 18, '12 9:25am PST 
You are expecting too much too soon. Don't forget that for the first nine months of his life, he has only known the one home. That's different than a ten week old puppy. He thought that was the whole world, whereas younger puppy are more developmentally programmed to want to explore.

Don't do too much too soon. That will only make the process take longer. The best thing you can do is establish a schedule for him so that he knows what to expect and can figure out how things work. Trying to give him too much too quickly or pressuring him too much will just make this take a lot longer and start him out on the wrong foot.

Please don't think this has to do with a kennel. A lot of working dogs are kennel raised. I also do rescue, and have many times handled dogs who grew up in a shelter, stuck in a kennel.

You more need to appreciate that this is total culture shock. Give it time.

If you don't over pressure, you will find you have a very different dog two weeks from now.
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Barked: Sun Nov 18, '12 10:37am PST 
Thank you Jax, I hope He will become a very good dog. He already loosens up from day one.
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Barked: Sun Nov 18, '12 10:43am PST 
Tiller, Thank you for the reply. You are right. I shouldn't except too much too quickly. He already loosens up more from day one. I am taking things slowly. He is improving everyday. I walk him to the lobby everyday and he is getting better yet still afraid of human come close. ( head, body, tail down ) He wouldn't mind getting petted. It is just like he is not very happy. I try to be positive with my dogs as much as possible.
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Abbey

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Barked: Sun Nov 18, '12 11:54am PST 
Instead of letting strangers pet him at this point how about asking them to offer him a treat instead? Not all dogs find being petted (especially by strangers) inherently pleasant and rewarding. Later as he becomes more comfortable approaching new people you can start pairing food with being petted, as long as you let him decide how much interaction he is comfortable with. Don't be afraid to ask people to NOT pet him if he is uncomfortable. Some people can unintentionally be a little too overbearing and have a hard time recognizing when a dog has had enough, so you must be able to step in and make sure his interactions with strangers stay positive.
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