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Help.. My dog attacks unneutered male dogs.

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Scooter

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Barked: Thu Sep 13, '12 7:00pm PST 
Three previous posters have given you the same advice I'm going to give you.

Hire a BEHAVIORIST.
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Vladimir

Lady Killer
 
 
Barked: Mon Sep 17, '12 11:36am PST 
Even though you don't want to, I think muzzling your dog is the right option until you get this behavior in check. What if the next dog he runs across is a smaller dog? Like a chihuahua or something and he 'goes for the kill' or 'means business' with that one? You can't always see testicles and turn the other way. When my dog wasn't fixed, there was NO WAY anyone could see his balls under all his fur.

You're looking at serious legal consequences if your dog tears into another dog or kills another dog or your dog picking a fight with a bigger unfixed male. A muzzle could prevent all that and ensure your dogs safety, other dogs safety, as well as yours. Seriously look into consulting with a behaviorist on his behavior, because that is a scary behavior.
Good luck!
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Shiver Me- Timbers- "Charlie"

My Little Dog, a- heartbeat at my- feet.<3
 
 
Barked: Mon Sep 17, '12 3:05pm PST 
As someone with an intact dog, I have to agree with all the other posters as well. Invest in a muzzle - muzzle training for ANY dog should be a must IN CASE it's ever needed in any situation anyway - and hire a proper behaviorist.

Not to mention, dog parks are often created for all dogs to go and play and enjoy their walks, etc. If your dog isn't okay with all dogs, I wouldn't take him there - regardless of the park rules. There's law breakers all over the place, and people that are exempt(in the case of Lilith's dogs being show, etc), etc, and if your dog still goes after another dog, that's a liability against you, not to mention could bring all kinds of lawsuits down on you if your dog did any serious damage. Your dog could also be put to sleep. Not a great idea, is it?

If your dog has specific friends already, set up one on one play dates instead and supervise. A dog fight at the park can easily be redirected onto, not only other dogs, but other people as well. Not to mention that other dogs may jump in and try going after your dog for starting a fight in the first place.

I had a SSA(same sex aggressive) Mastiff. She was GREAT with puppies of both genders, and with male dogs. Any breed, any size. But when it came down to mature female dogs, she was extremely dangerous. I avoided the dog park, and had her play with only those dogs I KNEW she would reliably be okay with.

Using a shock collar may have made things worse for you too. You just made something your dog doesn't like even worse by confirming for him that intact dogs resulted in bad things happening - a shock. You need a good positive reinforcement behaviorist that can help you desensitize your dog to these other dogs.

I had a Siberian Husky(neutered) run across a street and try to attack my moms Rottweiler PUPPY(seven months old), while I was on a walk with him. His owners claimed the dog wasn't okay with intact dogs. Grizz was just a puppy at the time and gave all the appeasement behaviors and submissive signs he could, while this husky postured, snarled and scared him. I got in between, and body blocked, until I could get Grizz away from this off leash dog that 'didn't like intact dogs'.

Unless these dogs are starting fights with your dog, then this is your responsibility and you can't be in denial about something that CAN and does have the potential to be dangerous.

I'm glad you came here for help. You have gotten several wonderful suggestions, so I hope you put some of them to use!
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Barked: Thu Nov 15, '12 12:49pm PST 
I just got back from the dog park and we had to leave. MY dog doesn't like unneutered dogs either. I don't know why, other than he can sense the high levels of testosterone and feels threatened. He was picked up at one year of age as a stray and taken to the shelter. He was neutered shortly after. Maybe he was attacked/challenged by unneutered dogs and had to defend himself at one time. He can smell an unneutered male dog from far away. He will growl even when smelling the urine or feces of an unneutered male dog when we are on walks. He will growl and lunge at unneutered dogs on our bike paths. When they come up to him at the dog park to smell him he growls and will lunge at them. So we leave. In the past I have used a squirt bottle filled with water but I have to follow him around with it. He hates getting wet so it works. Lately, when we've gone to the dog park I announce, 'is everyone neutered,' and when they are we have no problem. I know it is a person's right to not neuter, but if you live where it is required, then do it. It is better for the dog's health. Also, this is the 21st century. There is no reason not to spay and neuter. Dogs are being euthanized every day all over our country because they can't find homes. By the way, my dog is a Fox Terrier/Jack Russell mix and is only 26 pounds. He IS a dominant dog but is not a monster. I just tell people he is the NEUTER POLICE.
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Kodiak CGC

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Barked: Sat Nov 17, '12 11:26am PST 
I'm not even going to TOUCH this 'every dog should be altered' nonsense. Ugh.

I will say, my Akita has an issue with intact male huskies because he has a long sordid history with them. ANY other dog, he's fine with, and even with IMHuskies, he won't attack or attempt to dominate them, he is just nervous about them and will fight back if they go for him.

He doesn't trust that one subset of dog (even though he lives with one). He was this way before his neuter, he's still this way after. Intact male huskies wanted to jump him before his neuter, and they do after. Altering has had ZERO effect on the issue, from either side.

As a responsible dog owner who values my dog's safety, I accept the responsibility of a reactive dog and keep him out of situations where it's reasonable to assume that he or another dog would be put in danger. (ie: Dog parks)

My other two can go to dog parks and get along with everyone. One is whole, the other is neutered. My whole male is the most dog tolerant and has never had an altercation. While it is unfortunate Kodi can't go to parks, it's just not in his personality. That's who he is. We do things better suited to his strengths instead.

By all means, hire a behaviorist! No harm in that.
I continue to work with my Kodi in controlled situations on his husky issue. Maybe some day he'll be fine with them, maybe not. Maybe yours will get over his insecurity too, maybe not.
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Forrest

Why walk when- you can run!
 
 
Barked: Fri Feb 22, '13 10:20am PST 
Let me share things from another perspective and that being as an owner of an intact male who was attacked completely unprovoked by a neutered male. My 10 month old golden retriever was still intact because he was being shown in conformation at dog shows.

I took him swimming at a private lake one afternoon where another family was already on property with a few kids and two goldens of their own. Before letting my goldens out of the vehicle to swim, I asked the family if they were okay with us frequenting the lake. I didn't want to impose on them. They said they were fine with our being there. I asked the mother if here dogs were friendly with other dogs before I let my three goldens out of my SUV. My two older goldens were fixed and all three of them got along terrific with any other dogs they've encountered.

As soon as my dogs were let out of my vehicle, the other family's youngest golden who was 15 mths old wouldn't let up on the heels of my intact puppy. Their other male golden was liked older fixed male and female as well as my pup ... just happy go lucky and content to be around all the folks and swimming. The younger male who wouldn't give my pup a moment's break was becoming such a pest that I suggest to my husband we leave. Looking back, I so wish I followed through with my gut.

The wife offered to tie up her younger male golden but then let her teenage daughter take him out in a rowboat after 10 min but did instruct the kid to keep the dog's lead on. A few minutes out in the boat, I could tell the dog was about to jump in the water. He did. He swam to shore but while mine and my pup's back was turned to the water as I was about to pick up a ball for him, next thing I know the menacing dog came up behind us and went for my boy's neck. Hubby and I got the dogs apart and I was just fuming. There's no frigging way the wife of the other dog didn't know what her boy was arable of. She proved my suspicions when she made the comment, "Sometimes he just doesn't know when enough is enough." Are you kidding me?!? I wanted to attack her to see how she liked it. Ugh!

When someone's dog has the tendency to go after other dogs, even if it's just some and not all, and when they do, saying sorry doesn't cut it!!! If you are a true dog lover, you would take every ounce of precaution to insure your dog NEVER can or will attack another dog. it's going after another dog regardless of circumstance be it small dogs, it's territorial or possessive is NOT acceptable. until your dog is 100% proofed against triggers, your dog NEEDS to remain on lead at ALL times and/or muzzled. Period!! Stop being selfish and justifying reasons why your dog should be allowed to roam off lead.

In all of a 2 min attack, my dog has been traumatized and his trust towards other dogs permanently ruined. I had to work hard with my dog for 2 yrs following his attack and re-establishing his trust with my other two dogs. Following the unprovoked attack on him, any quick or sudden movement with his siblings caused him to act out in the same manner as was done to him. He was so frightful that he adopted the attitude the best defence is a good offence and would try to lash out at other dogs before they had the chance to do to him what another strange dog already did.

He eventually began to trust my other two dogs again but, I can no longer trust him around other dogs. He does not even trust his ability to read another dog's body language even when another dog is posturing to play. He's nervous around bouncy or jumpy dogs and won't allow another dog outside the home to get close enough to him to offer a greeting. I've worked with a couple of fantastic behaviourists and they both agreed, the effects of the attack on him are so deep rooted and traumatizing that he just can't be rehabilitated.

I can at least now walk down the street and walk or put him in a sit while another dog passes without being reactive but off lead play with another outside dog is not possible.

My boy had to give up therapy dog work because there was the chance of him encountering other dogs while on duty and my dream of competing with him competitively went down the drain. He was the smartest and most eager dog I've ever owned too.

So while you think once your dog attacks and the situation is resolved, and even being fortunate to not have to deal with any physical injuries resulting from your dog, you have absolutely no idea how long lasting the psychological effects has impacted the dog who's been on the receiving end of both your dog's actions and your carelessness! If your dog, who you KNOW and are aware of, has the ability to go after another dog and is out in a position to do so even once after your realizing the issue is both ignorance and careless on your behalf. You have the responsibility to keep your dog and other dogs from harm. End of story.

My golden was attacked at 10 months of age and is now 10 with residual issues from a 2 min isolated incident. We've now been dealing with these issues for 9 yrs. Can you be big enough to see why a sorry does cut it in my eyes?! A true dog lover would NEVER ALLOW their dog to be put in a position to harm another dog.

No when I walk my dog, it is on a Halti, that is secured so he can't slip out of it, so I have control of him at all times. The Halti closes his mouth so he can't bite when I tighten up on it. How unfair for my boy to now be unable to defend himself when another dog who is not supposed to be off-lead wanders up to him and gets in his face. It's bad enough people still insist on letting their dogs off-lead in areas where they're not allowed that I don't dare walk him on trails because many people tend to ignore rules. Even though I'm the responsible one with control over my dog, it's the ignorant dog owners who claim their dog just wanted to say hi by running full steam ahead, face first with front paws jumping up around the neck of my dog. It's my fault my dog doesn't like that why? How would that same human like it if I jumped his back for no reason??

This is a very sore topic for me. Muzzle your dog and don't even for a minute give it a chance to ruin a dog for life like mine was. You can't deal with the training on your own. Stop worrying about other people's perception of you just because your dog is muzzled. Care more about that friendly, happy-go-lucky dog who's trust my be ruined for a lifetime because of the actions of your dog. If your dog has issues, don't create issues in another dog because you don't "want" to do what is absolutely necessary. Stop living in denial.
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Sanka

The ground is my- newspaper.
 
 
Barked: Fri Feb 22, '13 11:47am PST 
The muzzle is being suggested as a way to prevent attacks while you work on the behavior. It is for the safety of all, you, your dog and other dogs. It does not have to be a permanent thing if you work on ridding the behavior, and since this behavior is hard to gauge over the internet, it is wise to seek out a trainer who can see it with their own eyes, which is what people are saying. We all want a quick, easy and cheap fix, but you have a dog, that by your own accord, could do some serious damage.

I don't like seeing dogs in muzzles, but if I were in your shoes, I'd at least use a muzzle when out in places with numerous dogs.
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Fritz

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Barked: Mon Feb 25, '13 3:37am PST 
First follow the good advice given. Second stop going to dog parks until this behavior is under control or maybe just don't go to dogs parks at all. There is a lot of other things you can enjoy with your dog that don't involve setting him up to go after another dog.
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