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Dozer

Bully Dozer
 
 
Barked: Wed Apr 15, '09 3:37pm PST 
Why are American Pit Bull Terrier owners so upset about American Bullies being formed. How did the American Pit Bull Terrier form? It formed from two different breeds of dogs (closely related). How did they form an American Bully? (closely related ancestors) Thats my point and we as American Bully owners would love to see our dogs seperate from American Pit Bull Terriers, With that, I own both and love both equally for what they are. Not bashing anyone, just trying to figure out why APBT owner do the bashing on Ambullies??
Thanks
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AA's- Ultra-Violet

UKC Super Dog- #60, CGC, TDI
 
 
Barked: Thu Apr 16, '09 10:57am PST 
It's not that they are being formed, it's that they are trying to call these dogs APBT's. These dogs are NOT APBT's.

The majority of the ppl that are trying to "start" this breed are not going about it the right way. (I'm not saying all) They are breeding only for looks and in return are producing deformed dogs with more health problems than anyone will know for some time yet.

I have friends that have Bullies and everyone of those dogs has major problems from severe heart and joint issues to temperment issues. One of these Bullies has passed away from a seriously enlarged heart at the age of 18mths and another has serious leg deformities and is almost crippled at 16mths. And these dogs were from some of your more familiar bloodlines in the bully scene.

I have nothing against ppl trying to start a breed but I'm still from the old school and am the person who calls a Labradoodle (yes I know it is now an AKC reconized breed) what it is... a mutt.
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Kolbe

Where can I run- today?
 
 
Barked: Thu Apr 16, '09 2:17pm PST 
Creating a new breed takes many generations of careful and selective breeding. A great deal of people breeding (too many of them, frankly) are not doing it the responsible way. Where is the breed club being formed for this "breed"? What are the standards being set forth? What are the code of ethics set forth? Why is just any Tom Dick or Harry breeding "American Bullies"? People get called Backyard Breeders for a reason... we are already overrun with APBT and APBT mixes and thousands of them die in shelters every day, why are we bringing more and more and more?

[eta] UltraViolet the "Labradoodle" is not an AKC recognized breed.

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Daddy

Changing one- mind at a time - APBT style
 
 
Barked: Thu Apr 16, '09 8:20pm PST 
I can't speak for anyone else, but these are my personal reasons why I do not condone and am quite frankly mostly against the breeding of "American Bullies":

1. Between the American Kennel Club, Canadian Kennel Club, and American Rare Breed Association, there are about 370 different purebred dogs to choose from ranging greatly in height/weight, type, and function, bred for just about any purpose you can imagine. Given all of those different breeds, and all the mixed breed dogs that are already out there, there is definately something for everyone in one of those categories. The American Bully is quite similair to many other Mastiff or large bulldog breeds, why can't people be happy with the ones that already exist?

2. Because of their generally larger chests and builds, a good number of these dogs suffer serious health issues including but not limited to: heart problems, breathing problems, and hip and joint problems. The purpose of a breeder should be to improve a breed, but unfortunately, by breeding mastiffs and large bulldog breeds with "Pit Bull" breeds or just breeding Mastiff and Bulldog breeds together has shown over and over again to result in serious health issues.

3. The vast majority of these dogs' appearance is that of a very exaggerated Bull dog, they looks even more intimidating to most people than American Pit Bull Terriers already do, and unfortunately, because they are so heavily bred for looks, often times "tough" looks, it sets a very poor image for all "pit bull" owners and even owners of other "bull breed" dogs, that most of us are out to get a tough-looking dog. A lot of people also try to pass "American Bullies" off as "purebred Pit Bulls", which I know is not your fault, but the fact of the matter stands.
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Dozer

Bully Dozer
 
 
Barked: Fri Apr 17, '09 11:02am PST 
Well, I love both breeds, whether it be a slim taller APBT, or a short stockier AMBULLY. I just know everyone hates bashing so much that they do it, and dont realize it. I have done it, and I love both. Sometimes someone says something (very generic I know) and I go in defense in the other breed. My male is only about 65 lbs. but everyone that sees pictures says he is AmBully. Thats fine, I really don't care. I know he has no health problem other than allergies, and bullet wounds. (He got shot by some hunters back last deer season) on my property!! He is fine with that, I think it made him tougher and easier going at the same time. He is UKC and ADBA registered. He does have a large head, that is blocky, but he is not fat in any way. Much less than that actually, he is slim in the waist just has many muscles to compliment him. I love him to death. I swear he could outrun a greyhound! lol, he can keep up with me on my fourwheeler (Honda Recon 250) in 4th gear, up a hill.
On another note to the person who gave all the reasons why not to have Ambullies. Why have APBT's? The Ambullies are not the reason of the bad rap, that was before the Ambullies were being so overtly bred. The APBT is giving the Ambully a bad name b/c they do look so much alike. My thoughts exactly. Thanks for your time,
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AA's- Ultra-Violet

UKC Super Dog- #60, CGC, TDI
 
 
Barked: Fri Apr 17, '09 2:59pm PST 
(I coulda swore they did rec. the labradoodle...hum...)

I don't know if we get the worst of the worst in my area, but of the 3 Bullies I know personally, (including the one that attacked my dog in the show ring) I haven't found a nice one here. And I'm not even going to start on the ones I see at my work.
My biggest problem is that the "breeders" aren't being honest, my best friend is doing the bully thing and trying to pass these off as APBT's, and there are some other things about the breeding that I'd rather not discuss here. So I have a little personal issue with honesty in breeding right now.
If people are trying to preserve a breed then why are they showing/selling these mutts as purebreds? My friend was told by 3 judges that her dog was not an APBT and they refused to place her dog, (the 4th judge DQ'd her for her dog attacking mine in the ring), and she is UKC and ADBA registered. I don't care if the dog is purple ribbon bred, just please call it what it is.
The part that bothers me the most is that these dogs are given the same papers as my dog, because of dishonest breeders-- I will end my opinions on bullies here. But thank you all for letting me vent some. If I can find it I will cross post some of the good points from another forum that had this same discussion if anyone wants me to, it has to do with the starting of the lines and other stuff like that.
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Scooter

Work hard; Play- harder.
 
 
Barked: Fri Apr 17, '09 11:43pm PST 
(I started this in notepad when I first saw the post and before anyone had responded.)

Where to start. thinking

I'm a bit of a purist when it comes to my APBTs. I'm not fond of the UKC/AKC stuff; I will only keep ADBA standard dogs, with a preference for those under 40#. I've been in the dogs long enough to have seen quite a few fads come and go (many along the same lines as the AmBully) and NONE have improved the breed.

"Form follows function" is how the ADBA standard came about; I see neither in the AmBully. The dogs are soo misshapen they can't excel at anything except maybe snoring. In my book, they are no different than the designer dog fad. Someone has decided to cash in on the "I want a gigantic head on a short-legged bulldog with a barrel body because I have manhood issues" market and people have lined up to buy them. If it makes them drift away from the APBTs, then all the better, but I do feel for the dogs because no thought has been put into the health problems that come with such poor structure.

"Those that don't study history are doomed to repeat it." The breeders who are promoting this mix certainly haven't done their homework. Instead of creating something that is healthy, they've managed to create something worse than the current English Bulldog. Given that they haven't got that right, I doubt that they have done much to get the temperament right either, which means more of a public relations nightmare for the APBT when one of these dogs makes headlines. (I can honestly say that I have seen very, very few purebred APBTs that have had HA problems. I've seen TONS of mixes and other breeds that resemble APBTs with HA problems. In the end, it comes down to the fact that most people can't tell their bully breeds apart, so the APBT will get the blame.)

Speaking of public relations, why is it that every one I've ever seen has been with a gangbanger wannabe? Seriously, these people show up at the ADBA and AADR shows trying get pick up matches. They get escorted off the property pretty quickly. Paper hanging has gotten out of control. The ADBA had a big problem with the "Whopper" line; you'd think they would have learned their lesson. It gets interesting watching these guys get ticked once they have paid their entry fee and their dog doesn't place and sure can't pull. They have absolutely no idea what the standard calls for.

Basically, I'm tired of people polluting my breed of choice. I've got a quarter of a century invested in producing better dogs and while I find it irksome and a major pain, the fact is, those I buy and sell with won't have one on their yards.

Violet, the ADBA judges won't come out and tell these people they don't have a real APBT. They just won't really look at them; they will have them move it out, but will actually be watching every other dog, but that one. I've actually seen one judge completely walk by the dog and not ask for it to be moved out. They figure unless it does something to be DQ'd, it is always good for the points numbers to leave it in. (We get additional points the more dogs are in the class.)
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Drake

What dont kill- you only makes- you strong
 
 
Barked: Sat Apr 18, '09 11:43am PST 
Gotta agree with everyone's posts about bad breeding practice. Your seeing alot of weird doxie or basset hound pit mixes due to idiots trying to make bullys. They can be good dogs but tend to have alot of health issues. You see way to many backyard breeders experimenting with breeds to make there pits smaller and its getitng ridiculous. Drake was left to starve to death chained to a fence. He didn't turn out looking like they wanted so he was considered trash. Hes had his ears chopped off with scissors we are guessing to make him look tougher. He has bad lungs and his front left leg is nearly twisted backwards due to bad joints and bad breeding. I don't believe in breeding any bully breed until we get the numbers down to many die in the pounds and rescues on a daily basis.
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Dozer

Bully Dozer
 
 
Barked: Sat Apr 18, '09 3:47pm PST 
ok, well please look on my page to see pics of some of my dogs. What are they to you all? All are registered and we are starting to show some.

Does anyone see American Bully? APBT? Let me know, wont hurt my feelings a bit as to what is said. Let em ROLL
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Dozer

Bully Dozer
 
 
Barked: Sat Apr 18, '09 4:00pm PST 
so why doesnt picturetrail work on dogster, was going to post pictures in forum for yall ,,, and no luck. Let me know if another site works the same. Pituretail already has all my dogs on it though! BOOO!!!big laugh
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